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    esaul17

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    ...I never argued for the posting of "gay" and am very much against it. I also did not insult the staff of the board continually...I don't know where you got that from. I mentioned fundamentalist ideals but haven't brought that up again since the start. I am obviously a fan of the LPA, I have been on it for almost 4 years. I am not even arguing about changing the rule now, as I have said multiple times before and asked for the thread to be moved. I simply was asking why it was offensive.

    I am not sure why doing so has hurt so many people here. If asking for you to explain yourselves has offended you, I apologize. My goal was understanding, not harm. It is unfortunate this has been misunderstood. I'm 19 and have grown past using those words in that sense as well. Even if it was allowed here I wouldn't use it.

    However, since it seems we cannot discuss with without hurting people, I will drop it. Again, I apologize for offending you.

    EDIT: And please don't argue in reply to me here..this topic is to apologize, not to debate.
     
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    Will

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    I mean you no offense, but if you can't figure out why using the words "retarded" and "gay" to describe things which are neither retarded nor gay, then you're a very, very dense person, and that's what's got everyone in a tiff.
     
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    You should have just dropped it. There was no point continuing the argument. Sometimes it's better to just walk away with your own faith that you were right than try to argue that you were right. I warned you earlier that no good would come of it but you didn't listen.

    One thing I will say though is that regardless of whether your point was right or wrong, I think some people over-reacted.
     
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    esaul17

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    I just ask people stop using the gay example with me....as I am as against that as you are. If I am to be hated, let me be hated for the truth.
     
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    Casual D

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    The fact of the matter is that we told you several times why it wasn't allowed and WHY it was offensive to some of us, as well as asked you to please refrain from pushing the topic farther (since the rule wasn't going to be changed), and you kept it up.

    You not only kept it up, you (as well as others) allowed it to continue to go on for almost 15 pages after the fact. I accept your apology, but I am at a loss for words as to why you felt the need to continue on if you wouldn't use the words in the first place. It's almost as ludicrous as arguing for George W. Bush to be our permanent president, even though you hate him and want him out of office. It's contradictory and means absolutely no sense.

    You referred to us as fundamentalist, totalitarian, and accused us of destroying the meaning of what "family is". You even said the website was badly run. So please do not lie to us that you support us after stating negative after negative about these forums.

    That's not constructive criticism or input. That's pure insult.
     
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    esaul17

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    And Hellflame, you are right. I was hoping this could be discussed in a different manner but I was incorrect.
     
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    Will

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    I only included "gay" to further represent the example that it's simply asinine to use the words in a way in which they were never intended. No one's against using the word "retard" (or its variants, as I've said) when the context is perfectly acceptable. But to say, "Oh, man, my computer is retarded today," just makes no sense.
     
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    esaul17

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    Um, one misunderstanding. I was referring to Chris "Seinfeld's" post a while back calling the LPA family, and said I felt my definition was stricter and that an online forum wasn't "family" in my opinion. I never meant to direct this as an attack at the mods or the site, or anyone else. I was simply explaining why I disagreed witht he term. You certainly do not ruin what family means, and if you thought I said that you have my deepest apologies.

    I do disagree with some of the other things you just said about me, but unless you give me permission I won't defend myself against them.

    And I don't hate the word "retarded", I just personally don't prefer to use it.
     
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    Casual D

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    Again. I only acted the way I did because the comments you made towards our forums were out of line. We work very hard to keep this forum as peaceful as possible, and to just have someone come along and insult everything we work so hard for is just very demeaning.

    I'm all for a peaceful conversation, but your comments I feel were entirely out of line.

    And please, defend those statements you wish to defend...but peacefully.
     
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    I think he was talking about how the LPMB was badly run. But that could be me.
     
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    Will

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    No, you're right.
     
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    Well then...that is one statement I can agree on unconditionally. The LPMB has not been run well since the In The End days. They didn't handle the teenie problem when it first happened and the place spiraled out of control.
     
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    Nick

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    Alright Guys..Can We Drop This? He's Apologized Multiple Times. He Seems To Know What The Rules Are

    Even If He Was Asking For Reason As to Why People Get worked Up About Them. But At This Point? Who Cares Anymore.
     
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    esaul17

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    I felt I was more peaceful than a lot of others. I understand I upset you, but I found will advising me to "SHUT THE HELL UP" and Todd posting that Youtube link far more offensive than anything I said (except when you actually thought I was telling you you ruining what it meant to be family). So I guess I feel a little bit slighted here...because anyone could insult me if they wanted with no repercussions and I was told to leave the site because I felt one certain rule was being upheld without evidence.

    I do understand your feelings though. When someone puts years of their life into creating an excellent thing such as the LPA, sometimes disagreements over any small portions of it can sting more than they usually would.
     
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    Casual D

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    I'll gladly drop it as I have a headache anyways. I don't want to argue with you esaul17, and I feel it's best to just let bygones be bygones.

    But Nick, why do you capitalize every word, of every sentence? It's confusing.
     
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    Will

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    I already apologized for that.
     
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    I'm just going to say one thing.

    We all know what we did wrong. I think at this point, all we need is just some time away from this topic.

    Because the truth of it is, everyone wants to know they're right. Sometimes it's not enough to think it. You want confirmation from the opponent(s). That's where people need to stop. Esaul17 didn't stop, and some of the things he did say were out of line, but I think all of us are to blame for keeping the argument going. This includes me.

    So, I want to say sorry for having said anything to further provoke the topic of conversation, and sorry if I've offended anyone. It was a discussion that got out of hand.

    Friends, let's all get along. Please.

    And Esaul17, if it's of any consolation, I accept your apology. You didn't offend me, but I accept it.
     
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    Nick

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    Eeeehehehehehe

    Lets Not Discuss That Here
     
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    esaul17

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    Sorry Will. I missed your apology.

    I was never offended by anyone except when someone flat out insulted me, so no worries there Louis (at least with me).

    Friends.
     
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    Casual D

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    But Doesn't It Take More Effort To Capitalize Everything, When Simply Typing Everything Normally Would Be Far Easier? I'm Just Saying. :)
     
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